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Post by Karen d on Mar 25, 2009 14:25:03 GMT
You don't notice the climbs in this as you have the mud, cow poo, rock scrambling at Lomond side and the tree roots to contend with on the 2nd half anyway ;D. Nice section heading through the forest at Ewich is like a little roller coaster, it's lovely.
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Post by Fletcherm on Mar 25, 2009 18:35:13 GMT
Certainly feels like all those ft/mtrs to me when I've struggled along sections of it! Useful info, George, certainly encouraging to read after a run on the trail ( ie offputting to think about before a run!) One wee quibble though, Carbeth to Drymen figures a bit sus-- (almost flat) Suspect someone has made a cumulative reading here , so totals maybe a bit overstated.
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Post by Karen d on Mar 25, 2009 19:28:54 GMT
I did that section as an out and back from Drymen on the 1st march Fletcher and just checked my garmin data. I'm not sure which bit of my data Carbeth starts at but adding up all the wee ups n downs it does add up!! 90ft climb one bit, 60 another, 70 ft and plenty wee ones. As long as folk save a bit of energy for the harder stuff a bit further on and not use it all up on the flat bits at the beginning. I'm sure we'll all push each other on. Month to go now
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Post by Ali on Mar 25, 2009 22:56:24 GMT
I'm certain Garmin data overestimates ascent - I reckon by about 15m to 20m per kilometre. I went for a 8 mile run along the Tay today - flat as a pancake but my Garmin says I did 200m of ascent and descent.
I expect most of the last kilometres of the Fling will feel like their uphill anyway...
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Post by johnk on Mar 26, 2009 9:17:31 GMT
Garmin not only overestimates ascent it is also inclined to lose signal in places but it is ok as a guide. I figure that if the total ascent for the WHW is only 15000 ft or 4672 mtrs (Give or take) that a quick gander @ the profile :- www.tyndrumbytheway.com/Img/WHWProfileLarge.jpgshows that Milngavie -Tyndrum by no means can claim to have 8647 ft or 2592mtrs or half of the full total. Shame really because if ascents are tackled right then that is where the resting is done, with a bit more welly on the descents and flat. However in my case it is irrelevant as i figure that the 37 mile 5900ft Calderdale race the previous weekend will make even the run out of Milngavie Station into the High Street seem like a major ascent ;D
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Post by georger on Mar 26, 2009 10:01:49 GMT
I have never seen 2 garmins the same, but they do state that elevation calc is an indication only, I am very lucky with mine reads dam near zero at sea level and have been on top of quite a few tops where the garmin has agreed with os, Nevis, Ben Mac, Ben Hope, Mount Keen, Cairngorm etc
The best way to do this is run the race using Garmin, then upload data to sports tracks, load up the plugin elevation correction.
What this does is overlay your route on OS map and calculate elevation from the OS map and does not use the garmin elevation data.
I think you will be surprised.
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Post by johnk on Mar 26, 2009 12:49:41 GMT
I have never seen 2 garmins the same, but they do state that elevation calc is an indication only, I am very lucky with mine reads dam near zero at sea level and have been on top of quite a few tops where the garmin has agreed with os, Nevis, Ben Mac, Ben Hope, Mount Keen, Cairngorm etc The best way to do this is run the race using Garmin, then upload data to sports tracks, load up the plugin elevation correction. What this does is overlay your route on OS map and calculate elevation from the OS map and does not use the garmin elevation data. Yes George Yes George it pretty much does the same in Memory Map as well, but i Dumped Garmin Long ago (crap battery life and useless for ultra running, IMO). In favour of the TimexTrailrunner which has user replaceable batteries with a 12 hr battery life so i just pop a fresh battery in after about ten hours and i have the re-assurance that the same piece of kit is doing the measuring on relatively fresh batteries for the duration of the ultra because as you say no two garmins are the same. plus i have found that the Timex is a little more accurate on the routes i have compared against the garmin. Anyway back to the hills. literally i am off for a run JohnK
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Post by Andy Cole on Mar 27, 2009 9:41:36 GMT
I don't think you can judge the effect of hills just by the amount of ascent - the steepness and the length of hill is important too, as is the nature of the ground underfoot. Along the Fling/WHW course most of the hills are quite short and a lot of them are quite runnable, and the ground is not technical. Even the steeper bits like Conic you can take at a fast walk, whereas even on some short ultras like the Wuthering Hike some of the hills are more "in your face" hands-on-knees territory. I think one of the great features of the WHW/Fling courses is that you don't have any singular huge efforts preying on your mind as you go along, so you can enjoy it unfolding gradually. In response to an earlier comment on this thread, yes the UTMB has approximately double the total ascent of th WHW, but this certainly doesn't tell the whole story. The best way to appreciate this is to get the course elevations from the two websites and lay them out on the same scale!
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Post by georger on Mar 27, 2009 11:38:02 GMT
Dont Think I want to do the overlay Andy.
I really like my Garmin and except the altitude thing but the battery life is a pain. I cant afford to spend £220 on Timex but would like a stop watch that does not reset after 24 hours any ideas.
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Post by johnk on Mar 27, 2009 15:44:57 GMT
I cant afford to spend £220 on Timex but would like a stop watch that does not reset after 24 hours any ideas. Neither could i but i got lucky and found one at a good price took a while to find it though. FWIW i find it better not to obsess with hills certainly not ascent as i find it is descent where the damage can be done especially if not tackled correctly. IN fact the ascent is where i rest and re-fuel ready for the faster running on the descent and flat.
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Post by daviehall on Mar 27, 2009 19:55:22 GMT
I have never seen 2 garmins the same Old Chinese Ploverb: Confucious he say: "Man with watch knows the time, Man with two watches not so sure!"
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